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▶ 💬 Guemara The Gemara answers: Say that the baraita means that the duration of Job’s life lasted as long as from when Israel entere…
The Gemara answers: Say that the baraita means that the duration of Job’s life lasted as long as from when Israel entered Egypt until when they left, but not that he lived during that specific time frame. The Gemara raises an objection from another baraita against the notion that Job was a Jew: Seven prophets prophesied to the nations of the world, and they are: Balaam and his father Beor, and Job, Eliphaz the Temanite, and Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite, and Elihu ben Barachel the Buzite, which indicates that Job was not Jewish. He said to him: And according to your reasoning that Job could not have been Jewish because he prophesied to the nations of the world, was Elihu ben Barachel not a Jew? Is it not written: “Of the family of Ram” (Job 32:2), meaning Abraham? Rather, one must explain that Elihu is included in this list because he prophesied to the nations of the world; and so too it may be maintained that Job is included in this list, even though he is Jewish, because he prophesied to the nations of the world. The Gemara asks: But did not all the other prophets also prophesy to the nations of the world? Why then are only these seven mentioned? The Gemara answers: There, with regard to the other prophets, their main prophecies were directed to Israel, whereas here, with regard to these seven prophets, their main prophecies were directed to the nations of the world. The Gemara raises an objection from what is taught in a different baraita: There was a certain pious man among the nations of the world and his name was Job, and he came into the world only to receive his reward. The Holy One, Blessed be He, brought afflictions upon him, and he began to blaspheme and curse. The Holy One, Blessed be He, doubled his reward in this world in order to expel him from the World-to-Come. This baraita states that Job was not a Jew, but rather a gentile. The Gemara responds: The matter of whether or not Job was Jewish is a dispute between tanna’im, as it is taught in a baraita with regard to the period during which Job lived: Rabbi Elazar says: Job lived in the days of the judging of the Judges, as it is stated in connection with Job: “Behold, all you yourselves have seen it; why then have you become altogether vain?” (Job 27:12). Which generation was completely vain? You must say it was the generation of the judging of the Judges, when the people judged the Judges, as will be explained shortly. Rabbi Yehoshua ben Korḥa says: Job lived in the days of Ahasuerus, as it is stated: “And in all the world were no women found so beautiful as the daughters of Job” (Job 42:15). In which generation were beautiful women sought? You must say it was the generation of Ahasuerus (Esther, chapter 2). The Gemara asks: But why not say it was in the days of David, as it is written: “And they sought a beautiful maiden” (I Kings 1:3)? The Gemara answers: There, in the time of David, they searched “throughout the territory of Israel” (I Kings 1:3), whereas here, in the time of Ahasuerus, they searched throughout the world, as is similarly stated with regard to Job’s daughters. Rabbi Natan says: Job lived in the days of the kingdom of Sheba, as it is stated: “And Sheba fell upon them, and took them away” (Job 1:15). And the Rabbis say: Job lived in the days of the kingdom of the Chaldeans in the time of Nebuchadnezzar, as it is stated: “The Chaldeans formed three bands” (Job 1:17). And some say that Job lived in the days of Jacob and that he married Dina, the daughter of Jacob. As it is written here: “You speak as one of the loathsome women speaks” (Job 2:10), and it is written there in the account of the incident involving Dina: “He has done a loathsome act in Israel” (Genesis 34:7). This concludes the text of the baraita. The Gemara comments: And all these tanna’im hold that Job was a Jew except for the opinion introduced with the phrase: And some say, according to which Job lived in the time of Jacob, and he was certainly not one of Jacob’s sons. And what is the proof that all these tanna’im maintain that Job was Jewish? As if it should enter your mind to say that he came from the nations of the world, there is a difficulty: After Moses died, did the Divine Presence rest any longer on the nations of the world? But doesn’t the Master say: Moses requested that the Divine Presence not rest again on the nations of the world, and his request was granted to him, as it is stated: “That we shall be differentiated, I and Your people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth” (Exodus 33:16), and it is stated there that God acceded to his request. Rabbi Yoḥanan says: The generation of Job was awash in licentiousness, as it is stated: “Behold, all of you yourselves have seen [ḥazitem] it; why then have you become altogether vain?” (Job 27:12), and it is written: “Return, return, O Shulamite; return, return, that we may look [veneḥeze] upon you” (Song of Songs 7:1), which teaches that the phrase “you have seen it” connotes a licentious gaze. The Gemara asks: But say that the phrase “you yourselves have seen it” signifies prophecy, as it is written: “The vision [ḥazon] of Isaiah ben Amoz” (Isaiah 1:1). The Gemara answers: If so, why do I need the words: “Why then have you become altogether vain”? Rather, the reference must be to inappropriate licentious gazing. And further, with regard to Rabbi Elazar’s statement in the baraita that the generation of the judging of the Judges was one of vanity, Rabbi Yoḥanan says: What is the meaning of that which is written: “And it happened in the days of the judging of the Judges” (Ruth 1:1)? This indicates a generation that judged its judges. If a judge would say to the defendant standing before him: Remove the splinter from between your eyes, meaning rid yourself of some minor infraction, the defendant would say to him: Remove the beam from between your eyes, meaning you have committed far more severe sins. If the judge would say to him: “Your silver is become dross” (Isaiah 1:22), meaning your coins are counterfeit, the defendant would say to him: “Your wine is mixed with water” (Isaiah 1:22), meaning you yourself dilute your wine with water and sell it. Since nobody behaved in proper manner, the judges were unable to judge. Rabbi Shmuel bar Naḥmani says that Rabbi Yonatan says: Anyone who says that the queen of Sheba [malkat Sheva] who came to visit King Solomon (see I Kings, chapter 10) was a woman is nothing other than mistaken. What is the meaning of malkat Sheba? The kingdom [malkhuta] of Sheba, as is mentioned in Job: “And Sheba fell on them and took them away” (Job 1:15). § Having mentioned the book of Job, the Gemara addresses several matters relating to it. It is stated: “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and the Satan came also among them. And the Lord said to the Satan: From where do you come? And the Satan answered the Lord, and said: From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking through it” (Job 1:6–7). The Satan said to God: Master of the Universe, I have gone to and fro throughout the entire world and I have not found anyone as faithful as Your servant Abraham, to whom You said: “Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it to you” (Genesis 13:17). And even so, when he did not find a place to bury Sarah before he purchased a burial site for four hundred silver shekels, he did not find fault with Your ways or complain about the fact that you had failed to fulfill Your promise. “And the Lord said to the Satan: Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on earth, a perfect and upright man, one who fears God and turns away from evil?” (Job 1:8). About this Rabbi Yoḥanan says: That which is stated about Job is greater than that which is stated about Abraham. As with regard to Abraham it is written: “For now I know that you fear God” (Genesis 22:12), with regard to Job it is written: “A perfect and an upright man, one who fears God and turns away from evil” (Job 1:8). The Gemara clarifies the meaning of the aforementioned verse: What is meant by “and turns away from evil”? Rabbi Abba bar Shmuel says: Job was forgiving with his money. It is the way of the world that one pays the storekeeper for even half-peruta of merchandise purchased from him. But if somebody bought an item of such little value from Job, he would forgive him his half-peruta. The Gemara continues to clarify the verses concerning Job. “Then the Satan answered the Lord, and said: Does Job fear God for naught? Have You not made a hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his cattle is increased in the land” (Job 1:9–10). What is meant by: “You have blessed the work of his hands”? Rabbi Shmuel bar Rav Yitzḥak says: Anyone who took a peruta from Job was blessed. Not only was Job’s own handiwork blessed, but anybody who received anything from him was also blessed. The Gemara continues with its explication of these verses. What is meant by: “And his livestock is increased [paratz] in the land” (Job 1:10)? Rabbi Yosei bar Ḥanina says: Job’s livestock breached [paretzu] the order of the world. It is the way of the world that wolves kill goats, but in the case of Job’s livestock, the goats killed the wolves. The Gemara continues to relate the Satan’s challenge to God: “But now put forth Your hand, and touch all that he has, and he will curse You to Your face. And the Lord said to the Satan: Behold, all that he has is in your power; only upon himself do not put forth your hand. And the Satan went out from the presence of the Lord” (Job 1:11–12). The verses relate what then occurred: “Now there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother’s house, and there came a messenger to Job, and said: The oxen were plowing, and the asses were feeding beside them” (Job 1:13–14). The Gemara asks: What is meant by: “The oxen were plowing and the asses were feeding beside them”? Rabbi Yoḥanan says: This teaches that the Holy One, Blessed be He, gave Job a taste
▶ 🇫🇷 Résumé en français La Guemara répond : Dis que la baraita signifie que la durée de la vie de Job s’étendit depuis le moment où Israël entra…
La Guemara répond : Dis que la baraita signifie que la durée de la vie de Job s’étendit depuis le moment où Israël entra en Égypte jusqu’à leur sortie, mais non qu’il vécut pendant cette période précise. La Guemara soulève une objection à partir d’une autre baraita contre l’idée que Job était juif : Sept prophètes prophétisèrent aux nations du monde, et ils sont : Balaam et son père Béor, et Job, Éliphaz le Témannite, et Bildad le Shuhite, et Tsophar le Naamathite, et Élihu ben Barachel le Buzite, ce qui indique que Job n’était pas juif. Il lui dit : Et selon ton raisonnement que Job n’aurait pas pu être juif parce qu’il prophétisa aux nations du monde, Élihu ben Barachel n’était-il pas juif ? N’est-il pas écrit : « De la famille de Ram » (Job 32:2), c’est-à-dire Abraham ? Plutôt, il faut expliquer qu’Élihu est inclus dans cette liste parce que il prophétisa aux nations du monde ; et de même on peut maintenir que Job est inclus dans cette liste, bien qu’il soit juif, parce qu’il prophétisa aux nations du monde. La Guemara demande : Mais tous les autres prophètes n’ont-ils pas aussi prophétisé aux nations du monde ? Pourquoi alors seulement ces sept sont-ils mentionnés ? La Guemara répond : Là, en ce qui concerne les autres prophètes, leurs principales prophéties étaient dirigées vers Israël, tandis que ici, en ce qui concerne ces sept prophètes, leurs principales prophéties étaient dirigées vers les nations du monde. La Guemara soulève une objection à partir de ce qui est enseigné dans une autre baraita : Il y avait un certain homme pieux parmi les nations du monde et son nom était Job, et il n’est venu dans le monde que pour recevoir sa récompense. Le Saint, béni soit-Il, fit venir des afflictions sur lui, et il commença à blasphémer et à maudire. Le Saint, béni soit-Il, doubla sa récompense dans ce monde afin de le chasser du Monde à venir. Cette baraita déclare que Job n’était pas juif, mais plutôt un gentil. La Guemara répond : La question de savoir si Job était juif ou non est une dispute entre tanna’im, comme il est enseigné dans une baraita concernant la période pendant laquelle Job vécut : Rabbi Elazar dit : Job vécut aux jours du jugement des Juges, comme il est dit à propos de Job : « Voici, vous tous, vous l’avez vu ; pourquoi donc êtes-vous devenus tout à fait vains ? » (Job 27:12). Quelle génération fut entièrement vaine ? Tu dois dire que c’était la génération du jugement des Juges, quand le peuple jugeait les Juges, comme cela sera expliqué bientôt. Rabbi Yehoshua ben Korḥa dit : Job vécut aux jours d’Assuérus, comme il est dit : « Et dans tout le monde on ne trouva pas de femmes aussi belles que les filles de Job » (Job 42:15). Dans quelle génération cherchait-on de belles femmes ? Tu dois dire que c’était la génération d’Assuérus (Esther, chapitre 2). La Guemara demande : Mais pourquoi ne pas dire que c’était aux jours de David, comme il est écrit : « Et ils cherchèrent une jeune fille belle » (I Rois 1:3) ? La Guemara répond : Là, au temps de David, ils cherchèrent « dans tout le territoire d’Israël » (I Rois 1:3), tandis que ici, au temps d’Assuérus, ils cherchèrent dans tout le monde, comme il est dit de même à propos des filles de Job. Rabbi Natan dit : Job vécut aux jours du royaume de Séba, comme il est dit : « Et Séba fondit sur eux, et les emmena » (Job 1:15). Et les Rabbins disent : Job vécut aux jours du royaume des Chaldéens au temps de Nabuchodonosor, comme il est dit : « Les Chaldéens formèrent trois bandes » (Job 1:17). Et certains disent que Job vécut aux jours de Jacob et qu’il épousa Dina, la fille de Jacob. Comme il est écrit ici : « Tu parles comme parle une des femmes insensées » (Job 2:10), et il est écrit là dans le récit de l’incident impliquant Dina : « Il a commis un acte infâme en Israël » (Genèse 34:7). Ceci conclut le texte de la baraita. La Guemara commente : Et tous ces tanna’im soutiennent que Job était juif, sauf l’opinion introduite par la phrase : Et certains disent, selon laquelle Job vécut au temps de Jacob, et il n’était certainement pas l’un des fils de Jacob. Et quelle est la preuve que tous ces tanna’im maintiennent que Job était juif ? Car s’il te venait à l’esprit de dire qu’il venait des nations du monde, il y a une difficulté : Après la mort de Moïse, la Présence divine reposa-t-elle encore sur les nations du monde ? Mais le Maître ne dit-il pas : Moïse demanda que la Présence divine ne repose plus sur les nations du monde, et sa demande lui fut accordée, comme il est dit : « Afin que nous soyons distingués, moi et ton peuple, de tous les peuples qui sont sur la face de la terre » (Exode 33:16), et il est dit là que Dieu accéda à sa demande. Rabbi Yoḥanan dit : La génération de Job était plongée dans la licence, comme il est dit : « Voici, vous tous, vous l’avez vu [ḥazitem] ; pourquoi donc êtes-vous devenus tout à fait vains ? » (Job 27:12), et il est écrit : « Reviens, reviens, ô Sulamite ; reviens, reviens, afin que nous te regardions [veneḥeze] » (Cantique des Cantiques 7:1), ce qui enseigne que l’expression « vous l’avez vu » connote un regard licencieux. La Guemara demande : Mais dis que l’expression « vous l’avez vu » signifie prophétie, comme il est écrit : « La vision [ḥazon] d’Ésaïe, fils d’Amots » (Ésaïe 1:1). La Guemara répond : Si c’est le cas, pourquoi ai-je besoin des mots : « Pourquoi donc êtes-vous devenus tout à fait vains » ? Plutôt, la référence doit être à un regard licencieux inapproprié. Et de plus, en ce qui concerne la déclaration de Rabbi Elazar dans la ba [...]
Job, figure du juste souffrant (Job 1:1 ; 27:12), annonce le Serviteur d'Ésaïe 53 et le Christ qui, sans péché, porte la souffrance du monde pour le racheter (Hébreux 4:15 ; 1 Pierre 2:22-24).

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